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[edk2-devel] [edk2-rfc] [RFC] code-first process for UEFI-forum specifications

Samer El-Haj-Mahmoud
 

Thanks Leif.

As far as I know, the main feedback I heard is "when will this start?"... So, the sooner the better .. Thanks for taking the lead and driving!

-----Original Message-----
From: Leif Lindholm <leif@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 12:03 PM
To: Samer El-Haj-Mahmoud <Samer.El-Haj-Mahmoud@...>
Cc: devel@edk2.groups.io; Felixp@...; rfc@edk2.groups.io
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [edk2-rfc] [RFC] code-first process for UEFI-forum specifications

Hi Samer,

I had, perhaps excessively, been waiting for more feedback.

I promised Mike yesterday that I will rework based on feedback and send out next week at the latest. If people have no further comments then, we can adopt the process and start using it.

Regards,

Leif

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 15:52:07 +0000, Samer El-Haj-Mahmoud wrote:
Has there been any progress on this "code-first process" proposal? Any timeline on when we should expect it to be launched?

Thanks,
--Samer


-----Original Message-----
From: devel@edk2.groups.io <devel@edk2.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix
Polyudov via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:30 AM
To: rfc@edk2.groups.io; 'leif@...' <leif@...>;
devel@edk2.groups.io
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [edk2-rfc] [RFC] code-first process for
UEFI-forum specifications

Leif,

The process does not in fact change the UEFI bylaws - the change is
that the development (of both specification and code) happens in the
open. The resulting specification update is then submitted to the
appropriate working goup as an Engineering Change Request (ECR), and
voted on. For the UEFI Forum, this is a change in workflow, not a change in process.
I think it would be good to add more details regarding the interaction between edk2 and UEFI forum.
Here is what I suggest:
Each specification update Bugzilla ticket must have a sponsor. A sponsor is a person or a company that will be presenting change request to the UEFI forum.
A sponsor has to be identified early in the process. Preferably along with Buzilla ticket creation.
It is sponsor's responsibility to officially submit ECR to the UEFI forum by creating a mantis ticket with a Bugzilla link.
There are two reasons to create mantis ticket early in the process:
- Creation of the ticket exposes the effort to the UEFI forum thus enabling early feedback from the members(via Bugzilla), which may reduce number of iterations in the
implement --> get feedback --> re-implement cycle.
- edk2 effort will be taken into consideration while scheduling future
specification releases


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Doran, Mark <mark.doran@...>
 

The one thing we don't have in hand for this is a template into which we can put prospective ECR submission material that is collected as part of the code-first process.

We could just use the ECR template that is used for regular proposals with the UEFI Work Groups. However, the thought was to add some verbiage that template which effectively says: anything put in the proposed ECR template comes with permission to give ownership and rights in that content to the UEFI Forum so that it can publish the material as part of the specs under the same rights as all the other spec material there.

Since TianoCore doesn't have a legal team per se, we're having Intel legal work something like that with a view to contributing that to the community for review and hopefully adoption in short order.

That said, I don't think we need to wait on the template to begin using a code-first approach for things we would ultimately like to end up in the formal specs once code is "done". We really only need that template at the point that the ECR content is also done, meaning reflective of sufficiently completed code work.

If we do start assembling content that looks like ECR fodder in parallel with code development, I'd suggest that we keep track of who is putting words into that fodder so that when it gets moved into the template prior to formal submission as an ECR we can get assurance from those people that they are OK with the T's & C's in the template.

Fundamentally we just need to make sure that everyone contributing to the development of one of these code first things is OK with spec description stuff being incorporated into a UEFI document under UEFI T's & C's as the end product. UEFI T's & C's are designed to make sure that anyone can read the spec just for the asking and that there are no undesired IP complications (as there have been in some other standards) for people that choose to implement to the specs.

--
Cheers,

Mark.

-----Original Message-----
From: devel@edk2.groups.io <devel@edk2.groups.io> On Behalf Of Samer El-Haj-Mahmoud
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:32 AM
To: Leif Lindholm <leif@...>
Cc: devel@edk2.groups.io; Felixp@...; rfc@edk2.groups.io
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [edk2-rfc] [RFC] code-first process for UEFI-forum specifications

Thanks Leif.

As far as I know, the main feedback I heard is "when will this start?"... So, the sooner the better .. Thanks for taking the lead and driving!



-----Original Message-----
From: Leif Lindholm <leif@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 12:03 PM
To: Samer El-Haj-Mahmoud <Samer.El-Haj-Mahmoud@...>
Cc: devel@edk2.groups.io; Felixp@...; rfc@edk2.groups.io
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [edk2-rfc] [RFC] code-first process for UEFI-forum specifications

Hi Samer,

I had, perhaps excessively, been waiting for more feedback.

I promised Mike yesterday that I will rework based on feedback and send out next week at the latest. If people have no further comments then, we can adopt the process and start using it.

Regards,

Leif

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 15:52:07 +0000, Samer El-Haj-Mahmoud wrote:
Has there been any progress on this "code-first process" proposal? Any timeline on when we should expect it to be launched?

Thanks,
--Samer


-----Original Message-----
From: devel@edk2.groups.io <devel@edk2.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix
Polyudov via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:30 AM
To: rfc@edk2.groups.io; 'leif@...' <leif@...>;
devel@edk2.groups.io
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [edk2-rfc] [RFC] code-first process for
UEFI-forum specifications

Leif,

The process does not in fact change the UEFI bylaws - the change is
that the development (of both specification and code) happens in the
open. The resulting specification update is then submitted to the
appropriate working goup as an Engineering Change Request (ECR), and
voted on. For the UEFI Forum, this is a change in workflow, not a change in process.
I think it would be good to add more details regarding the interaction between edk2 and UEFI forum.
Here is what I suggest:
Each specification update Bugzilla ticket must have a sponsor. A sponsor is a person or a company that will be presenting change request to the UEFI forum.
A sponsor has to be identified early in the process. Preferably along with Buzilla ticket creation.
It is sponsor's responsibility to officially submit ECR to the UEFI forum by creating a mantis ticket with a Bugzilla link.
There are two reasons to create mantis ticket early in the process:
- Creation of the ticket exposes the effort to the UEFI forum thus enabling early feedback from the members(via Bugzilla), which may reduce number of iterations in the
implement --> get feedback --> re-implement cycle.
- edk2 effort will be taken into consideration while scheduling future
specification releases


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Leif Lindholm <leif@...>
 

Hi Samer,

I had, perhaps excessively, been waiting for more feedback.

I promised Mike yesterday that I will rework based on feedback and
send out next week at the latest. If people have no further comments
then, we can adopt the process and start using it.

Regards,

Leif

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 15:52:07 +0000, Samer El-Haj-Mahmoud wrote:
Has there been any progress on this "code-first process" proposal? Any timeline on when we should expect it to be launched?

Thanks,
--Samer


-----Original Message-----
From: devel@edk2.groups.io <devel@edk2.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix Polyudov via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:30 AM
To: rfc@edk2.groups.io; 'leif@...' <leif@...>; devel@edk2.groups.io
Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] [edk2-rfc] [RFC] code-first process for UEFI-forum specifications

Leif,

The process does not in fact change the UEFI bylaws - the change is
that the development (of both specification and code) happens in the
open. The resulting specification update is then submitted to the
appropriate working goup as an Engineering Change Request (ECR), and
voted on. For the UEFI Forum, this is a change in workflow, not a change in process.
I think it would be good to add more details regarding the interaction between edk2 and UEFI forum.
Here is what I suggest:
Each specification update Bugzilla ticket must have a sponsor. A sponsor is a person or a company that will be presenting change request to the UEFI forum.
A sponsor has to be identified early in the process. Preferably along with Buzilla ticket creation.
It is sponsor's responsibility to officially submit ECR to the UEFI forum by creating a mantis ticket with a Bugzilla link.
There are two reasons to create mantis ticket early in the process:
- Creation of the ticket exposes the effort to the UEFI forum thus enabling early feedback from the members(via Bugzilla), which may reduce number of iterations in the
implement --> get feedback --> re-implement cycle.
- edk2 effort will be taken into consideration while scheduling future specification releases


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