Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@...>
On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 04:58:25PM +0000, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
* Laszlo Ersek (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote:
(+Dave, +Eduardo)host physical address width gets messy. There are differences as well
On 11/22/19 00:00, dann frazier wrote:
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 06:06:15AM +0100, Laszlo Ersek wrote:"PCPU address width" is not a "function" of the available physical bits
On 11/19/19 01:54, dann frazier wrote:Thanks, yeah - now that I read the code comments that is clear (as
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 11:51:18PM +0100, Laszlo Ersek wrote:Good to hear, thanks.
On 11/15/19 19:56, dann frazier wrote:Hi Laszlo,
Hi,By default, OVMF exposes such a 64-bit MMIO aperture for PCI MMIO BAR
I'm trying to passthrough an Nvidia GPU to a q35 KVM guest, but UEFI
is failing to allocate resources for it. I have no issues if I boot w/
a legacy BIOS, and it works fine if I tell the linux guest to do the
allocation itself - but I'm looking for a way to make this work w/
OVMF by default.
I posted a debug log here:
Linux guest lspci output is also available for both seabios/OVMF boots here:
allocation that is 32GB in size. The generic PciBusDxe driver collects,
orders, and assigns / allocates the MMIO BARs, but it can work only out
of the aperture that platform code advertizes.
Your GPU's region 1 is itself 32GB in size. Given that there are further
PCI devices in the system with further 64-bit MMIO BARs, the default
aperture cannot accommodate everything. In such an event, PciBusDxe
avoids assigning the largest BARs (to my knowledge), in order to
conserve the most aperture possible, for other devices -- hence break
the fewest possible PCI devices.
You can control the aperture size from the QEMU command line. You can
also do it from the libvirt domain XML, technically speaking. The knob
is experimental, so no stability or compatibility guarantees are made.
(That's also the reason why it's a bit of a hack in the libvirt domain XML.)
The QEMU cmdline options is described in the following edk2 commit message:
Thanks for taking the time to describe this in detail! The -fw_cfg
option did avoid the problem for me.
I also noticed that the aboveRight.
commit message mentions the existence of a 24GB card as a reasoning
behind choosing the 32GB default aperture. From what you say below, I
understand that bumping this above 64GB could break hosts w/ <= 37
physical address bits.
What would be the downside of bumping theThe placement of the aperture is not trivial (please see the code
default aperture to, say, 48GB?
comments in the linked commit). The base address of the aperture is
chosen so that the largest BAR that can fit in the aperture may be
naturally aligned. (BARs are whole powers of two.)
The largest BAR that can fit in a 48 GB aperture is 32 GB. Therefore
such an aperture would be aligned at 32 GB -- the lowest base address
(dependent on guest RAM size) would be 32 GB. Meaning that the aperture
would end at 32 + 48 = 80 GB. That still breaches the 36-bit phys
32 GB is the largest aperture size that can work with 36-bit phys
address width; that's the aperture that ends at 64 GB exactly.
clear as it can be w/ my low level of base knowledge). In the commit you
mention Gerd (CC'd) had suggested a heuristic-based approach for
sizing the aperture. When you say "PCPU address width" - is that a
function of the available physical bits?
-- it *is* the available physical bits. "PCPU" simply stands for
IOW, would that approachMaybe.
allow OVMF to automatically grow the aperture to the max ^2 supported
by the host CPU?
The current logic in OVMF works from the guest-physical address space
size -- as deduced from multiple factors, such as the 64-bit MMIO
aperture size, and others -- towards the guest-CPU (aka VCPU) address
width. The VCPU address width is important for a bunch of other purposes
in the firmware, so OVMF has to calculate it no matter what.
Again, the current logic is to calculate the highest guest-physical
address, and then deduce the VCPU address width from that (and then
expose it to the rest of the firmware).
Your suggestion would require passing the PCPU (physical CPU) address
width from QEMU/KVM into the guest, and reversing the direction of the
calculation. The PCPU address width would determine the VCPU address
width directly, and then the 64-bit PCI MMIO aperture would be
calculated from that.
However, there are two caveats.
(1) The larger your guest-phys address space (as exposed through the
VCPU address width to the rest of the firmware), the more guest RAM you
need for page tables. Because, just before entering the DXE phase, the
firmware builds 1:1 mapping page tables for the entire guest-phys
address space. This is necessary e.g. so you can access any PCI MMIO BAR.
Now consider that you have a huge beefy virtualization host with say 46
phys address bits, and a wimpy guest with say 1.5GB of guest RAM. Do you
absolutely want tens of *terabytes* for your 64-bit PCI MMIO aperture?
Do you really want to pay for the necessary page tables with that meager
(Such machines do exist BTW, for example:
In other words, you'd need some kind of knob anyway, because otherwise
your aperture could grow too *large*.
(2) Exposing the PCPU address width to the guest may have nasty
consequences at the QEMU/KVM level, regardless of guest firmware. For
example, that kind of "guest enlightenment" could interfere with migration.
If you boot a guest let's say with 16GB of RAM, and tell it "hey friend,
have 40 bits of phys address width!", then you'll have a difficult time
migrating that guest to a host with a CPU that only has 36-bits wide
physical addresses -- even if the destination host has plenty of RAM
otherwise, such as a full 64GB.
There could be other QEMU/KVM / libvirt issues that I m unaware of
(hence the CC to Dave and Eduardo).
between upstream qemu behaviour, and some downstreams.
I think the story is that:
a) Qemu default: 40 bits on any host
b) -cpu blah,host-phys-bits=true to follow the host.
c) RHEL has host-phys-bits=true by default
As you say, the only real problem with host-phys-bits is migration -
between say an E3 and an E5 xeon with different widths. The magic 40's
is generally wrong as well - I think it came from some ancient AMD,
but it's the default on QEMU TCG as well.
Yes, and because it affects live migration ability, we have two
1) It needs to be exposed in the libvirt domain XML;
2) QEMU and libvirt can't choose a value that works for everybody
(because neither QEMU or libvirt know where the VM might be
Which is why the BZ below is important:
I don't think there's a way to set it in libvirt;
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1578278 is a bz asking for
IMHO host-phys-bits is actually pretty safe; and makes most sense in a
lot of cases.
Yeah, it is mostly safe and makes sense, but messy if you try to
migrate to a host with a different size.
For example, to set a 64GB aperture, pass:
The libvirt domain XML syntax is a bit tricky (and it might "taint" your
domain, as it goes outside of the QEMU features that libvirt directly
(1) The "xmlns:qemu" namespace definition attribute in the <domain> root
element is important. You have to add it manually when you add
<qemu:commandline> and <qemu:arg> too. Without the namespace
definition, the latter elements will make no sense, and libvirt will
delete them immediately.
(2) The above change will grow your guest's physical address space to
more than 64GB. As a consequence, on your *host*, *if* your physical CPU
supports nested paging (called "ept" on Intel and "npt" on AMD), *then*
the CPU will have to support at least 37 physical address bits too, for
the guest to work. Otherwise, the guest will break, hard.
Here's how to verify (on the host):
(2a) run "egrep -w 'npt|ept' /proc/cpuinfo" --> if this does not produce
output, then stop reading here; things should work. Your CPU does not
support nested paging, so KVM will use shadow paging, which is slower,
but at least you don't have to care about the CPU's phys address width.
(2b) otherwise (i.e. when you do have nested paging), run "grep 'bits
physical' /proc/cpuinfo" --> if the physical address width is >=37,
(2c) if you have nested paging but exactly 36 phys address bits, then
you'll have to forcibly disable nested paging (assuming you want to run
a guest with larger than 64GB guest-phys address space, that is). On
modprobe kvm_intel ept=N
On AMD, go with:
modprobe kvm_amd npt=N
Hope this helps,
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / email@example.com / Manchester, UK